[Spacecadets] Sublet Proposals

Thu Feb 4 10:42:52 PST 2016

Re layout/ additional classroom

I had good hopes,  that especially after october  (the period of time
505access was looking at to end their 500-1000sqft desires,  or before,
that the rollup door and some of the Annex,  could become the new Donation
dropzone/sorting , opening back up the Drive in area of our shop, and also
hopes that kilns and some of the other things might be placeable in the
annex, or the outside fenced area,   freeing back up the space we used for
the grand opening and ignite presentations,  and also allowing for the
front area in the masts to be used for temp projects,  (car repair, glider
building, sculpture welding....

One if the big concerns/complaints i keep hearing from touring guests, and
some other members is that in the masts, it feels too cluttered for them to
feel like they can work on something sizable.   Admittedly with the new
wood shop additions its looking pretty awesome in the woodshop area, and
will likely look even better when we start offering benches, and can move
some more out of the middle. to open up more space for woodworking.

I know some people have suggested perhaps keeping the drive in area in
masts the drop zone,  and encouraging large projects/car
stuff/sculptural/events in the annex,  but the only the three that really
makes sense is the events, due to the low ceiling,  the remoteness from
many of the tools possible sketchiness of the tracks(if we were to keep the
rollup door open much.  although it could be opened for donations,
 (smaller things could be brought in via the annex door)

The other thing about it since the annex is not insulated heat/cooling wise
and probably not very noise wise,  from the 'Core'  im thinking vehicle
projects major shop work/grinding/sawing/welding/lathing/painting, may mix
in the Cores airspace/soundspace  and or contribute to more heating or
cooling if the annex rollup door is used for long periods.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Charel Morris <charelm at gmail.com> wrote:

> interesting
>
> I had hoped to keep a large enough space for a 'classroom' style area.
> Allowing us to have a second classroom / workshop area. But I like that
> design that you sent.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Geoff Nicholson <
> Demonsthenes at meme-complex.com> wrote:
>
>> I vaguely had in mind a sort of open-plan office, where the even-number
>> of rentable benches were in the middle of the room, with them put against
>> each other (so bench one's back is to bench two's back, with the hackers
>> facing each other across their respective benches).  The power-strip would
>> run down the boundary between the two benches in the middle, and there
>> would be enough space to pass behind the hackers.
>>
>> Like this, but deeper, and with a shorter backsplash. The lockable
>> storage would go where the stools are, and the seating would be up to the
>> hacker (bar-stool, chair, anti-fatigue mat, what-have you)
>>
>> http://georgemdavison.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kiski-4.jpg
>>
>> -- geoff
>> -- quelab.net
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:02 AM, john banfill <john.banfill at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Someone suggested that the benches be on casters. When not in use they
>>> could be placed against the wall.  When in use they would be wheeled to the
>>> open area in the center of the room.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* bhc <bencole.bus at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Geoff Nicholson <Demonsthenes at meme-complex.com>
>>> *Cc:* spacecadets at quelab.net
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:21 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Spacecadets] Sublet Proposals
>>>
>>> In thinking about the layout, I'm assuming that the "3x4 bench" is the
>>> surface of the bench itself, and does not include the floor space that I
>>> would use standing/sitting at the bench while working.  Wouldn't it make
>>> sense to add some amount of "floor space" to the rental to account for
>>> that?  If the rented "floor space" was in fact 4x5 (imagining the 4 ft
>>> dimension as being "along the wall," and projecting out 5 ft), with a 3x4
>>> bench in it, then the additional 2x4 would in some way provide for a place
>>> for me to work at the bench.  That would raise the price/month to $40
>>> (still reasonable to me), and would allow us to plan the space such that we
>>> all have room to maneuver while working.  To be clear, I am only seeing the
>>> "non-bench" space as being tape marks on a floor, so when someone isn't
>>> working at their bench it will not impede other Members who may be
>>> carrying/rolling things around the space.  Similarly, if I lean back and
>>> stretch (or whatever), I (or others) do not bump into any physical barrier
>>> at the limit of this space. It physically looks the same as if we were only
>>> renting the bench space, just perhaps a bit more space between multiple
>>> rows of benches, if we ever got to that.
>>>
>>> I see this as an analogy to the common areas of an apartment building.
>>> I rent an apartment, like many.  Clearly, some fraction of my rent goes to
>>> pay for parking lots, hallways, etc.
>>>
>>> My $.02 (or is that $2/sq ft? :) )
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Geoff Nicholson <
>>> Demonsthenes at meme-complex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings Space Cadets!
>>>
>>> I've been going over the old spacecadets discussions, based on the
>>> proposals brought to the directors from the original run (back when we
>>> moved in and had to clean up all the fake blood).  I'd like to distill what
>>> we think is good and what we think is bad from these, and come up with
>>> usage policies that will help us afford the new space we're hoping to rent
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Back then the sublet proposals were for $2/sqft for areas not on the
>>> ground floor (Fortress of Solitude and where MMF is currently renting) and
>>> 'more' for space on the ground floor.  More was never determined, but was
>>> assumed to be a dollar or so more per square-foot.  Additionally, Rooms 1
>>> and 7 were optioned for member rental as they had the best opportunities
>>> for security (only one or two doors to be locked... and #1 has the external
>>> door for... purposes).
>>>
>>> To be eligible for member rental, the members in question would have to
>>> be auto-paying members who had been in good standing (ie paid on time) for
>>> a few months (the last draft was 6mo), or pay-in-advance members who were
>>> paid up for a couple months.
>>>
>>> There have been calls to release more rooms in the main campus for
>>> member rental at or below $2/sqft.  There have been requests for bench
>>> rental (exclusive use) and there have been requests for storage above and
>>> beyond your 36-gal plastic tub.
>>>
>>> To address those requests, here's my suggestion for the structure of the
>>> storage rental.  Right now, I'm leaning towards keeping the $2/sqft number
>>> in the new storage area (so renting a 3x4 bench would cost $24/mo, and
>>> renting a 2x4 spot to store your plywood would cost $16/mo).  I haven't
>>> measured all the rooms that people are interested in renting in either of
>>> the areas, so I don't know if $2/sqft is a reasonable price.  We've made it
>>> such that you can't rent the Core for more than a day or two (event), so
>>> our concern about people taking up all the floor space for a month in the
>>> largest room in the space is no longer a concern.
>>>
>>> Here's this in more legalese.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hT7GxRCGHB5We5gZr7FTjQRc7kU0PgxS-u1QNmEqj4M/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -- geoff
>>> -- quelab.net
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