[Spacecadets] Using the east attic

[John Benedetto]

Here are the minutes, such as they are -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PXo-k5hgip9ny3CP7m9H6iqAL75eALZx6gVCqFCzPYo/edit

(Here is the map of the space, if you don't know room numbers:
http://quelab.net/wiki/doku.php?id=room_map)

Some highlights:
The major recap is that the attic space is
- not considered "occupiable" per the lease, the city, and probably
the fire marshal
- the rule that it is not occupiable is an old rule from when we first
moved into the space, and newer members were not aware of it
- Bandit used the words "It is NOT under discussion.  There are two
options for the east attic: storage, or nothing"
- Bandit is seeking suggestions emailed directly to him of wish list
suggestions for possible use of storage in the east attic.  Make it so
each member gets "x" square feet automatically?  Make it "rentable"
storage space?  Make it storage for our geegaws & whatsits?  What?
Bandit will collate & make up a report

We agreed that the couches need cleaned.  Charel & JT both have
machines that we could use.

Passed proposals
- We approved the proposal to make room 11 (formerly Mission Control)
into a Ham Shack, but want to keep it's office use as well (the ham
space will be restricted to only part of the room)
- a later approved proposal swapped rooms around
  - Room 11  to house the large format printer & large format vinyl
cutter (both that Ray are working on) and at least one PC
  - Room 7 (storage room) to become HamShack/Office space
  - Items that were storage in room 7 to be relocated. Some suggested
the east attic, some suggested into room 5 (the former library, where
a lot of the computer stuff was once upon a time stored in the past)

JT

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Zoot - Craig Goldsmith
<craig at 1uffakind.com> wrote:
> Sending this to SC and OFF list as I'm not sure what happened during which
> meeting. Seem like this mostly came up during 6pm SC meeting.
>
> Would somebody please recap what happened so I have some context here?
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>
> -- Clarification because I can't help myself -- 1. I am only one year into
> my first term as a Board member. 2. while I was using East Attic as a
> workspace in 2014 and part of 2015, I haven't done one minute of work there
> since August of 2015, and it's become de facto storage for me, though I had
> hoped to do more up there this Spring. But I've also been advised I'd
> probably need to clear my shit out, so whatever :)
>
> On Feb 26, 2017, at 10:52 PM, Drew via Spacecadets wrote:
>
> Adric,
>
> Thank you for pointing out at tonight's meeting that our map labels the east
> attic as storage. But Quelab has no written rule saying that storage means
> use is forbidden, and nobody ever told me such a rule orally until this
> year, long after the board delegated space usage to space cadets. The
> argument that there's always been such a rule isn't credible. Either get
> space cadets to approve a new rule, or have the board revoke space cadet's
> authority on the issue and have the board approve a new rule.
>
> We've gone years with no problem with people using the east attic. Alfred,
> Craig, Raphael, and Sherie used it with no problem. But I ask the board to
> justify kicking Chris Zapotocky's stuff out of the west attic, and two weeks
> later, the board/president (dunno who really, what with Quelab's opacity of
> governance), knowing that I'm the only one frequently using the east attic
> now, decides to begin the process of kicking me out. Saying the timing is a
> coincidence is not a credible explanation. You're targeting me just as
> surely as you were targeting Chris.
>
> If your honest reason for kicking people out of the east attic was just
> anally retentive exact compliance with a lease provision that our
> liberally-permissive landlord certainly doesn't care about, and with some
> nanny-state regulation that no government agent will ever bother us about
> unless taunted, then you would have kicked everybody out years ago. You
> certainly wouldn't have a two-term board member (Craig) and an officer
> (Sherie) each with worktables up there.
>
> I've never done anything to anybody at Quelab, except to fight back when
> people screw with me or my stuff, to scold people for associating with
> blackmailers, and to scold people for making asinine arguments against me
> for the preceding two things. And right now, you're screwing with me. I'm
> bothering nobody in the attic, and I've already offered to pay rent for the
> table space I'm using.
>
> Instead of trying to invent a way to harass me, why don't you and the rest
> of the board spend your time on something actually useful, such as getting
> our new treasurer access to our bank account? You've known now for five
> months that you need to do it, and you're two months late doing it.
>
> P.S. Freedom-loving people normally have enough common sense to ignore
> nanny-state regulations whenever possible. I'll be happy to sign a waiver
> saying I won't sue Quelab if I burn to death because I'm trapped in the
> attic while the building burns down.
>
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